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			<title>Evelo at 22:37, 26 March 2020</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;1) The paper Figure 5 seems to start from the virus itself and that crossing the membrane and interacting with cPLA2. after crossing through the glycerophospholipids bilayer. In this pathway, is seems to start with the glycerophospholipids themselves. Is that correct?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;1) The paper Figure 5 seems to start from the virus itself and that crossing the membrane and interacting with cPLA2. after crossing through the glycerophospholipids bilayer. In this pathway, is seems to start with the glycerophospholipids themselves. Is that correct?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;2) I think cPLA2 produces multiple fatty acids: palmitic acid, oleic acid and linoleic acid are the relevant ones here. They all come from the ellipsoid thing that is labeled as &amp;quot;fatty acids&amp;quot; (note we could do the same using the ChEBI term). So palmitic acid oleic acid are not side-products from the linoleic acid production I think. The current drawing suggests they are.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;2) I think cPLA2 produces multiple fatty acids: palmitic acid, oleic acid&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;, &lt;/ins&gt;and linoleic acid are the relevant ones here. They all come from the ellipsoid thing that is labeled as &amp;quot;fatty acids&amp;quot; (note we could do the same using the ChEBI term). So palmitic acid oleic acid are not side-products from the linoleic acid production I think. The current drawing suggests they are.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;3) The part on the left hand of the figure that mentions PAF C-16 and LPCAT is missing. While PAF C-16 actually is affected in the original study. I am not even sure what these are. But it might be relevant to add them to be able to study virus interactions?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;3) The part on the left hand of the figure that mentions PAF C-16 and LPCAT is missing. While PAF C-16 actually is affected in the original study. I am not even sure what these are. But it might be relevant to add them to be able to study virus interactions?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;4) The original paper actually shows what the virus infection does with the metabolites, using red &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; arrows. I think it would be nice to show the virus effects somehow without interfering with use for analysis.&amp;nbsp; &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;In fact, such &lt;/del&gt;red arrows &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;might be &lt;/del&gt;a &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;nice way &lt;/del&gt;to do &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;that&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;4) The original paper actually shows what the virus infection does with the metabolites, using red &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; arrows. I think it would be nice to show the virus effects somehow without interfering with use for analysis.&amp;nbsp; &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;I originally suggested to use the same &lt;/ins&gt;red arrows&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;, but that actually would interfere with use for data analysis. In the end, we should probably just have &lt;/ins&gt;a &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;generic pathway and discuss how it was used in the description. I am also going &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;suggest a title change. Please revert if you &lt;/ins&gt;do &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;not agree&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 22:37:33 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Evelo</dc:creator>			<comments>https://oldclassic.wikipathways.org/index.php/Thread_talk:Pathway_is_very_simplified_%282%29</comments>		</item>
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			<title>Evelo at 14:46, 26 March 2020</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hi, we can extend it the make it more accurate in &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;anyway &lt;/del&gt;we like. The pathway figure is a starting point.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hi, we can extend it the make it more accurate in &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;any way &lt;/ins&gt;we like. The pathway figure is a starting point&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;I have some questions after looking at the original virus-related paper:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;1) The paper Figure 5 seems to start from the virus itself and that crossing the membrane and interacting with cPLA2. after crossing through the glycerophospholipids bilayer. In this pathway, is seems to start with the glycerophospholipids themselves. Is that correct?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;2) I think cPLA2 produces multiple fatty acids: palmitic acid, oleic acid and linoleic acid are the relevant ones here. They all come from the ellipsoid thing that is labeled as &amp;quot;fatty acids&amp;quot; (note we could do the same using the ChEBI term). So palmitic acid oleic acid are not side-products from the linoleic acid production I think. The current drawing suggests they are.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;3) The part on the left hand of the figure that mentions PAF C-16 and LPCAT is missing. While PAF C-16 actually is affected in the original study. I am not even sure what these are. But it might be relevant to add them to be able to study virus interactions?&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;4) The original paper actually shows what the virus infection does with the metabolites, using red &amp;quot;up&amp;quot; arrows. I think it would be nice to show the virus effects somehow without interfering with use for analysis.&amp;nbsp; In fact, such red arrows might be a nice way to do that&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:46:34 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Evelo</dc:creator>			<comments>https://oldclassic.wikipathways.org/index.php/Thread_talk:Pathway_is_very_simplified_%282%29</comments>		</item>
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			<title>Egonw: New page: Hi, we can extend it the make it more accurate in anyway we like. The pathway figure is a starting point.</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;New page: Hi, we can extend it the make it more accurate in anyway we like. The pathway figure is a starting point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Hi, we can extend it the make it more accurate in anyway we like. The pathway figure is a starting point.&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:52:00 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Egonw</dc:creator>			<comments>https://oldclassic.wikipathways.org/index.php/Thread_talk:Pathway_is_very_simplified_%282%29</comments>		</item>
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